Grace Gardener was the Chief Consultant of the Rand Corp.
This is being re-printed with the hope the electoral vote can right the election tampering and choose Hillary Clinton as their candidate. This situation is exactly why the US has this safeguard.
This is important information about my meeting in a consultant/advisory capacity with Donald Trump in 2004. This dissertation is very long but well worth the read. This is one of the most vile conversations I have ever had.
In this exposition you will find that Donald Trump –
• Has made it his “life’s work to give America to the rich white people, the way it was intended,” and he feels the best way to do that is to become President. *
• Start by banning Muslims because “they are not white (enough.)” To gain support for that, Trump’s people would plan and cause the San Bernardino attack. *
• Ban Mexicans because “we can’t say we allow just white Mexicans and some Mexicans aren’t white enough.”
• Fact: In the 1980s, Trump bought many, many Manhattan properties. Both Trump, and the banks he borrowed from, used Government money to fund his projects. It was Government bailouts that made Trump a very wealthy man and gave him the idea to continue his businesses as President and that way, he told me, he could use the government directly as his own personal bank. He intends to use the IRS to fund projects for his companies so he can “become the richest man on the planet.” *
• 2004 “No woman will ever win the Apprentice.” If a woman in his employ wants to give him advice she has to tell one of his male assistants. *
• He has people who investigate so he can tell the American people exactly what they want to hear. He will “say anything to become President.” *
• Another lesser reason for running is he can make more money for speaking engagements just by running for President
• There’s an excellent chance Trump’s men helped orchestrate the Syrian Crisis so he could film refugees for his Campaign Ad. (How did he procure those satellite images?) The chance the US would take in refugees prompted the San Bernardino attack so Americans may not be as eager to help.
You may skip to the (5) Running for President, or (6) San Bernardino “Terrorist Attack”
at the end of this exposé.
1) The Start of the Meeting:
I met with Donald Trump in 2004. He said he’d heard about me and he was told I had good instincts. He wanted to know if I thought he was doing anything wrong. I talked to him about talking too much about his mother, it was in much the same manner as he now talks about his daughter. “But, a boy loves his mother,” he said to me. I said, “First of all, you’re not a boy and second of all people wonder whether you love your mother,” and I changed my intonation, “or you love your mother.” I could hear his advisors/bodyguards say they’ve been telling him that all along and he wouldn’t listen. Donald said maybe he doesn’t mind hearing it from me as much, plus that I gave him guidelines of mentioning his mother only once a year, (I thought that would be appropriate,) and they hadn’t told him that. I was giving him specifics and he liked that.
Was there anything else, he wondered, that I thought he should change? I told him I thought he should change his hairstyle because people wonder whether or not he’s wearing a piece. I think he thought I meant a gun, which shows that he can’t follow a train of thought, but he told me he was and that every successful business man carries a gun. When I explained I meant hair-piece he had me tug his hair and said people are always commenting on it so he wouldn’t change it.
He said he didn’t know what to talk about when he goes on talk shows so I suggested he talk about how he gets his hair to look like that. That was sort of a joke but I really had no clue what he should talk about, his advisors/bodyguards smiled wryly.
2) Getting Richer using Government Money
Was there anything else I didn’t like, he asked. I told him I didn’t like the way he bought up all the real estate in New York City and then threatened bankruptcy and had the banks rewrite the loans with a lower interest rate. We went back and forth about that a few times and he couldn’t understand why I thought that was wrong but was impressed that I knew as much as I did, and said I was the only one who said anything about it to him. “She’s a smart one, this one,” he said to his bodyguards. I could tell they didn’t think I was so smart because, normally, that would have gotten me killed had I been anyone else and I think they said something to that effect. And they said something to each other that they had killed a few people regarding that maneuver.
It was all prearranged he told me. I asked if the banks knew what he was going to do and he said yes. What Trump did was borrow with money he didn’t have on overvalued properties and when it came time to pay the money back he basically refused which was illegal and would have landed him in jail but it would have bankrupted the banks. He said when he borrowed it he never intended to pay it back and was surprised they actually wanted it back, which negates the claim it had been prearranged. It was all very public and without renegotiating with the banks, Trump would have gone bankrupt and the banks would have owned a huge chunk of Manhattan. The banks rewrote the loans with a significantly lower interest rate, and took a huge hit to the point that they needed government money. As far as I’m concerned government money is money that the people pay to the government in taxes and expect certain services in return. (Note: I don’t pay taxes to make the rich richer.)
It was Government bailouts that made Trump a very wealthy man and gave him the idea to continue his businesses as President and that way, he told me, he could use the government directly as his own personal bank. “All presidents do that, you didn’t know that?”
(Note: The government spends far more money on wealthy individuals than it does on poor ones. I’m quite sure universal healthcare costs far less than the money the government pays rich people in bail-outs. But it’s the same rich people, especially the people who own stock in pharmaceuticals and healthcare systems, who vehemently oppose Obama care. It really is disgusting.)
When Trump told me he was a trillionaire I said, “Trillion with a T?”
“Trillion with a T, I like that, can I use that?”
(Note: He was sitting on the couch next to me, my couch, something his bodyguards said he never did. He never sat in furniture that didn’t look expensive. Mine was an inexpensive vinyl couch. It didn’t bother me that he looked down on it but it bothered me to have a man so vile sitting on it next to me.)
3) The Apprentice and Trump’s beliefs about Women and Minorities
We talked a little bit about his new show, the Apprentice. They had already filmed the shows before the first season began because Donald didn’t like surprises. Before they even filmed the shows they knew who was going to win each one. That was why he got into the Miss America pageant. He found out it was a foregone conclusion, that the winner had been selected in advance, and that was the type of thing that intrigued him. I think I said I like the way they played Beethoven’s Fifth when they showed Omarosa on the commercials. I thought he thought I was talking about the movies about the dog. (Note: Again – he couldn’t follow the conversation. He thought I was saying Omarosa was a dog. He said he thought she was very pretty for a black girl.)
He said Omarosa Manigault had already been hired, “She’s a smart girl; she knows a black person could never win on the Apprentice.” I asked why and he said, “Americans hate black people. We want to keep America for the white people.” We talked a little about that because it was clear he was narcissistic to the point of being a sociopath and I didn’t want to piss him off. He wanted to know what to do after the three years was up and people wanted to continue to watch the Apprentice? Trump said he was told it would be a success because people love him and want to see him on TV doing what he does best, being a shrewd businessman. “America loves me,” he said.
I suggested doing an Apprentice with smalltime celebrities. He said he was in need of a PR man.
“Or woman, doesn’t the Apprentice have to have women in it?”
“No woman would ever be able to win the Apprentice.”
I said I thought it might be a positive thing for his image to have a woman PR person.
“She doesn’t listen well does she?” he said to his men.
“I thought you were interested in my opinion of you?”
“We’ve done that already. We’re past that. Now we’re talking about the Apprentice.”
We talked about doing a celebrity Apprentice. In the time it took for us to have that little side conversation, when we got back to the subject of the Celebrity Apprentice, they already had names of six celebrities, one of them was Geraldo Reveres.
There were only two names on the list that both of us had heard of before. I couldn’t picture the woman but I know I knew her name as well as Geraldo’s if not better. So I asked Trump if he would give her a shot.
“She’s a woman,” is all he said. I thought he might not realize I’m a woman, so I told him that. We had a small, slightly embarrassing, side conversation. He said I was the only woman he had ever allowed himself to talk business with, or consider taking advice from, beside his mother. So he did realize I was a woman but he and some of his friends thought that I was in a class by myself somehow, not like other women.
(Side Note: This whole time I couldn’t believe anyone with such a low level of intelligence who was hateful of such a large percentage of the population, would have any money whatsoever. [If you add Blacks, Muslims, Mexicans and women together that is over 80% of the population] I could not make any connection, whatsoever, to this person as a human being. I’ve known some human beings who were lowlifes, and others who were needy in the intelligence department, but I could always connect with everybody or anybody on some level or another. Always. He seemed to like me, which I thought was a good thing because he had mentioned being a murderer.)
4) On Murder
“Does that surprise you?” He asked at one point and told me that all businessmen, all successful businessmen have killed someone. “Not me personally. Oh no, I wouldn’t get my hands dirty. Only a few times and I shot them in my office if we were alone, but if I need someone killed I hire someone for that. Does that turn you on? Some women find that a turn on, that I’m willing to kill people.” He brushed his hands together the way people do when they’re dirty. He told his henchmen he even puts his gloves on before he shoots people and he can never understand why, while they’re standing together and he maneuvers them over to an area rug in his office, why they don’t leave when he puts his gloves on. And he joked saying something like, “Oh what do they think – it’s suddenly cold?” They laughed. He said it like I wasn’t even sitting there, or like I was a very young child and wouldn’t be able to understand what he was talking about. I’ve never been that young. Trump continued, “All politicians are murderers, too. The Godfather was right, all politicians kill people. Especially Presidents. It’s legal for a President to kill someone. Did you know that?”
I responded that I didn’t know it was legal, but, I thought they would probably be able to get away with it and talked a little bit about Castro. Trump said he was too young to know anything about Castro. He wasn’t too young he just didn’t know. I thought everybody knew because whenever Castro had the opportunity he would joke about it publicly.
Trump started talking about running for President. I got the impression that was why he was there all along and the other stuff was just him trying me out, seeing if I was really as good a consultant as he had been told.
5) Running for President as a White Supremacist
Trump said that as he gets older he believes his mission in life has become clearer. “This country was founded by white men, men from Spain, the Spain in Europe not the mulattos that we see coming from Mexico. First Spain and then from England and it was founded as a place for white people. That’s why we had to kill all the Indians. Oh, they were here first, it was their land first, but they weren’t white, so they had to go. I suppose if they had been white they may have been allowed to stay, I don’t know so I can’t comment on that. Did you know that? Did you know this country was founded by people who wanted a country just for white men?”
“No I didn’t. But if it was just for white men why did they bring black men. At one point the South was made up of more black people than whites, I believe. Somebody should’ve told them it was just for white people.”
“Oh no, the black people came on their own. They had it really rough in Africa and they’d rather be a slave in America.”
I knew that wasn’t true and was stunned he believed that so I decided to take another tack, “Then why didn’t the white people keep them out, if they wanted this country just for white people?”
“That’s neither here or there. They should’ve kept them out, that’s what I believe, and now we have to make them want to leave. That’s why we make it so hard on them. They’re all just thieves and drug addicts anyway, we don’t want them here. That’s one of the reasons I developed a Manhattan, so only the rich people could live there and get rid of all those ni… neg… what you call them nowadays?”
“Black. I believe the word you’re searching for is black.”
Trump pointed to me with his thumb and laughed with his henchmen.
“I wanted to clean up Manhattan for the white people, and if only rich people can live there that means only white people can live there because only white people are rich. So I want to do the same thing for the whole country. I want to take it back for the white people. I want to make it as hard as possible for anyone darker than me. I want to make them feel unwelcome because they should feel that way because this country was never meant for them. We shouldn’t have allowed the blacks to come to be slaves, that was wrong, because they weren’t white and they had no business being here. We should keep them down and treat them bad to make them want to leave, to go back where they came from.”
(Note: I so wanted to correct him. But he had no concept of reality. He wouldn’t allow a woman to give him advice unless it was his mother, and now me. How out of touch with half the population of the world can you be? He thought African-Americans came here of their own volition! They wanted to be slaves?! I’m sure he believed it he said it with great authority and conviction.
He said he would lie, cheat and kill to become President. I’m sure I thought of correcting him. I thought to tell him that even if it were legal for a President to kill, you couldn’t start doing it just because you were thinking of running for President, but I was pretty sure he would kill me. There were already two or three times one of the two gentlemen with him started to get up when I said something that made Trump bristle. So I thought I had to sit there and listen because I knew I had no other choice. You cannot disagree with someone who is homicidal and completely devoid of human emotion and unquestionably insane.)
Trump said he would only run if he knew he would win. He said he would run for President, not only to rid the United States of anyone darker than him, but because Presidents make a lot of money. I thought, this man just told me he has trillions of dollars, why would he want more? But I didn’t say that to him.
Trump went on to say that as long as he doesn’t take any campaign money from anyone he won’t be beholden to anyone and he could get involved with anything he wanted to and make money whatever way he could.
I did take the opportunity to tell him that he might find that he could make money and still help the country, that he might be able to do some good for the country as President. I also told him he should run as an independent but he felt that the Republican Party was largely made up of white supremacists, so he wanted to be associated with them, and when he got the nomination he would let the Republican National Committee use their clout to get him elected. He knew that the Republican National Committee could rig an election and as long as he got the nomination they could arrange it so that he would get elected President. I believe he is correct in that assumption.
His plan to become President was – his advisors would tell him what the people wanted to hear. He said he had people on the pulse of the nation who could tell them exactly what to say and it would be exactly what the people want to hear.
6) San Bernardino “Terrorist Attack”
He knew his cronies didn’t want to allow any more minorities into the country. He said he would start with Muslims because “They’re all terrorists.” I laughed and said, “They’re not all terrorists.” Trump shot a look at his people and one of them started to get up and Trump waved his hand sideways to stop him and shook his head, no. It was the laugh that set them off. (Don’t laugh at anything Trump says, it could get you killed.) Important Note about San Bernardino: I said the American people wouldn’t go for it. He asked under what circumstances would they accept that? I said, possibly, Americans would consider it, if Muslims in this country carried out a terror attack, but I doubted that would be enough. Trump looked at the men with him and they said, “We can arrange that.” Trump looked back at me and said, “Done.” I said I didn’t mean for him to orchestrate an attack. “Why not?” Trump asked blankly, “It’s bound to happen anyway. We’ll keep it small – just enough to get people upset enough to stop Muslims from entering the country. We don’t want them anyway, they’re not white, they’re…”
“Asian, I think,” I told him.
“They’re not Asian,” he replied.
“I think, technically most of them are, and a lot of them are white, or Eurasian.”
Trump said, “Oh no they’re not. Get her, answering me back. I don’t know if I like that. They don’t look white or Asian. Not to me, anyway.”
Trumps advisors got an answer on their phones, “She’s right, that part of the world is considered Asia, or Asia minor.”
Trump – “Well if I say they’re not – they’re not. I don’t want them, and if a little terror attack will stop them from coming in, then that’s what we’ll be forced to do.” He went on, “I told you Presidents are allowed to kill people.” He looked at me, “I’ve upset you. Don’t worry no one you know will get hurt, we’ll keep it small, just big enough to get the country’s attention. I didn’t mean to upset you. I’m pretty good at that – knowing when someone’s upset. You’re upset aren’t you?”
I nodded. At this point I felt as though my body and head were going to split apart.
Trump said, “My hour’s almost up, anyway. This is the most productive hour I’ve ever spent. You’re a delight. I’d hire you in a minute. Maybe not, you’re too smart.”
Why was San Bernardino Targeted?: It is close enough to LA to be noticed, and, in all likelihood if San Bernardino were attacked very few of the victims would be white. If you look at the victim list some were Muslims. Why would a Muslim Terrorist group target Muslims? It makes no sense. Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn were created for something just like this. They are used as terrorist recruiting tools for ISIL. Pay those boys and they’ll find someone for the job, and they’ll have pictures of all their friends and what they had for lunch. That’s what happened in San Bernardino. Also, I belong to an Eagles Club in San Bernardino, CA and I have to wonder if that’s part of the reason that town was targeted. Probably not, but I do wonder about that.
Planting Tweets is another strong possibility. That was discussed when I named Twitter and Facebook. The suspects responsible for the actual attack could easily have been angry people who were mind controlled into carrying out the attack, and then Twitter and Facebook filled in the blanks.
Actually, anyone could have been the attackers since they were in disguise and using Facebook and Twitter the attack could be pinned on someone else and then those people get murdered and everything is tidied up. That is easier and more likely.
That would give Trump a platform for putting forth his plan. It really was his plan – not a political ploy. Trump wanted to be a war-time President. He is sure he will win the Presidency. He will say whatever is necessary to get votes. He trusts his people to tell him what to say.
7) Trump’s Campaign Ad and its connection to Syria
Trump talked to me about his Campaign Ad. He wanted to make people very afraid. I joked that it sounded like the ad in Scrooged, a movie with Bill Murray which he hadn’t seen and so didn’t get the joke. He wanted to point out, in a roundabout way, that the racial makeup of the United States was quickly headed toward the minority races. White people would no longer be in the majority. I pointed out to him that the world is primarily made up of minority races so they are actually the majority races and he’s fighting against something inevitable. He repeated that his quest was to keep America for the white people. He went over some of his ideas for his campaign ad. He said he had seen pictures of people coming over the Mexican border and all you can see is one or two little dots since they come over at night, “and really, not that many come over that way, anyway,” and he wanted to make people afraid that Mexicans would be coming here in droves and he wanted me to tell him how they might get footage of that. I said the only refugees I could think of were from Africa and I don’t know of any footage of that.
Unfortunately, I added I was surprised it hadn’t happened yet in the Middle East. Trump picked up on the word yet, “so you think it might happen there?” Then he turned to his henchmen and asked them if they could hurry something like that along and asked which countries have a physical border like a wall? “Get on that.”
It’s entirely possible that the refugees crossing from Syria into Turkey was something that was in the works since 2004 so Trump could get his footage for his campaign. A little money goes a very long way in poor countries. There are many highly powerful white supremacist groups that are working together throughout the world. They are funding ISIL. I could write a book on that.
I advised Trump to run as an Independent, but in the end he knows he needs the Republican Party to rig the general election.
We ended the meeting with pleasantries mixed in with subtle threats, and then when I didn’t respond to the subtle threats, more overt threats followed, and when I didn’t act scared the Donald became confused but I assured him I understood.
What I suggest:
Check what stocks Trump owns. What stocks do his supporters own? They must be heavily invested in military equipment.
I can explain what happened in San Bernardino but I’d prefer to do that in person, as it is complicated.
United States Military Intelligence and the White House Security Team are both well aware of my accusation and can probably verify my meeting with Donald Trump. I know this because my computers, my phone and my emails have been monitored since before 2011.
While I spoke with Donald he made it quite clear that you can never leave his employ alive, but it may be possible to find someone still alive who knows about that meeting. There were, probably, eight people in the room. Two of them were taking notes and on the phone and Trump probably recorded the conversation.
Every day, every second, that that maniac is on the loose spreading his paranoid, narcissistic, evil propaganda schemes – is one step closer to a world war like nothing we’ve ever seen before. The people in the Middle East have done nothing wrong and certainly they have done nothing to Donald Trump to deserve such malicious lies about them. The man has to be stopped for the sake of the world.
Clearly the White House and Military Intelligence have no intention of stopping him because they don’t see it as something good for the US. They have a myopic view of the world.
Hillary Clinton met with me and her husband in the same consultant/advisory capacity in the White House Oval Office when the President was embroiled in the Lewinski debacle. Bill or Hillary can give me the credibility I need.
I feel it would be immoral of me to remain silent. After much soul-searching, meditation, thought and prayer I have decided on letting the news media know because I don’t know how long I can stay alive and someone needs to expose this man.
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